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Photovoltaics: An Alternative Opinion
April 4, 2008

I just attended Semi’s two-day event, “Empowering the Silicon Revolution—The Past, Present, and Future of the Semiconductor Equipment and Materials Industry,” at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California. As I reported (see: Semi Event Blends Nostalgia with a Look to the Future), the opening keynote address was given by Arthur W. Zafiropoulo, the chairman, president, and CEO of Ultratech, San Jose, California, who reminisced about our industry’s beginning, and expressed strong opinions about its future. One thing I found interesting, was his refusal to factor in the possible effects of the photovoltaic (PV) boom that seems to be taking place.

 I later corralled Art and asked him why he holds such a jaundiced view on the current interest in photovoltaics.

 

“From the investment side, I see PV as the next dotcom bust,” he said. “Remember, PVs are a niche market. While solar will be used it isn’t the ultimate energy solution. The energy solutions should be more focused on nuclear and fuel cells for automobiles.”

“But surely,” I argued, “solar has an important place.”

 

“Yes, and so do windmills, geothermal and others—they should all be used, but I think that the cost for PV today far exceeds the ROI. Once the government stops subsidizing, and it will soon, the interest will decline.”

 
 Source: Ultratech

       Art Zafiropoulo, Ultratech

When I commented that companies such as Applied Materials, which has gone into the PV area in full force, must see some value to it, Art dismissed it: “It is an interesting investment strategy for the companies that are participating, and it may help them short-term,” he said. “In Applied’s case, I think that they have seen it as an opportunity to expand their flat panel glass business, a good extension of their existing platform, which doesn’t hurt. But like with everything else, there is hype involved with energy conservation.”

 

“So what is left, then?” I asked. “The N-word?”

 

“We must look at ultimate solutions. While, yes, eventually there will be fields of solar cells, when it comes to ultimately solving the world’s energy issues the most efficient way today is nuclear. Oil prices keep increasing and people are beginning to suffer, and PVs do not solve the problem. We will migrate back to nuclear.”

 

“You’d have a hard time selling it, considering the question of nuclear waste,” I said.

“Nuclear residue is relatively small in volume. We must work on solutions to reduce the half-life of materials generated as well as establish a distribution infrastructure for fuel cells. Once we get the distribution infrastructure in place, the same engine can still be used in automobiles; all that is needed is to package the hydrogen containers. Something similar is already being done with taxicabs in Japan. Short-term we must explore, drill, get oil and use the resources available. Longer-term, go nuclear and have these niche technologies such as PV, geothermal, wind, hydro to complement it.” Art added that the government should draft its energy think tanks—Sandia National Laboratories, Los Alamos National Laboratory, and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory—to focus on ways to reduce some of the nuclear waste’s half-life.

 

I then pointed out that China seems enthusiastic about PV technology.

 

“When I was recently in Shanghai, the newspaper had an article on the cost per kilowatt once you have the source, and what it cost to make that source,” he said. “They looked at coal, nuclear, and solar, and did a comparison. The actual cost of coal and nuclear was in the $0.05 to $0.07 per kilowatt range. Solar was $3.90. It then considered the cost of manufacturing these sources. Nuclear came to about $8,000 per kilowatt, coal was $6,000, with solar at $60,000 to $70,000. Can these costs be brought down? Certainly! Can they be brought down by orders of magnitude? I don’t think so. Right now, the government currently subsidizes 90% of investment costs. Over the next two years this will phase out here and in Europe. Then it’ll be only China and India still pursuing it.”

 

What say you, Reader?

 

 

 

 

 

 


Posted by Alexander E. Braun on April 4, 2008 | Comments (9)


April 7, 2008
In response to: Photovoltaics: An Alternative Opinion
dick dryden commented:

Mr. Braun, You were/are cocerned about waste disposal, however Art said that the issue is overblown and stated the size of the disposal site required. He and Dr. Bill Wattenberg (sp/)are in agreement, along with many others that have for years opposed nuclear energy. France and other countries have re-processed their waste, minimizing storage requirements; so can we. Art is right; nuclear power has to be the prime source of power with all other solutions being complementary.




April 8, 2008
In response to: Photovoltaics: An Alternative Opinion
RealityCheck commented:

Yes, solar is in a bubble now due to subsidies, but as costs decline it will be solar that wins. Regarding nuclear at $0.05/kW versus solar at $3.90/kW, that is total bull, $0.05 is per kWHr, not per kW. A few decades ago a 2GW nuke cost $11B, or $5.50/kW. Of course nuclear runs when you need it versus a roughly 25% factor in the best solar areas, but nuclear has gone up in cost while solar is coming down. So in the long term (20 years) solar wins.




April 12, 2008
In response to: Photovoltaics: An Alternative Opinion
Down with fossil fuels commented:

Governments will stop subsidizing solar? Like how they stopped subsidizing fossil fuels you mean?




April 13, 2008
In response to: Photovoltaics: An Alternative Opinion
Dr. Duru commented:

Given all the hype accompanying solar STOCKS (as opposed to the business), I agree that a bust is coming. The bust will be particularly bad if a slowing global economy puts downward pressure on energy demand and prices and consequently the urgency behind subsidizing alternative energy companies. But just like the bursting of the technology bubble, the fallout should leave behind stronger, leaner competitors and hopefully more focused and productive investment.




April 14, 2008
In response to: Photovoltaics: An Alternative Opinion
stever commented:

Art Zafiropoulo is plain wrong, He is assuming problems he is unfamiliar with are trivial. Hydrogen as a motor fuel has a long way to go in terms of vehicular range and distribution infrastructure. Nuclear waste is small in volume but requires a sophisticated untested facility such as Yucca Mountain to safeguard it for 10,000 years, a period longer than mankind's recorded history.




April 28, 2008
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SemiMike commented:

Art is correct in my opinion. Except for a longer term view, where Uranium, like Oil, goes away LONG before COAL does...say one more generation of nukes, then 40 years of Uranium, then it also has "peaked" like Oil. Longer term, Solar Steam engines making electricity are my bet.




May 11, 2008
In response to: Photovoltaics: An Alternative Opinion
Physicist commented:

I waonder how Sandia is supposed to reduce the hlaf life of nuclear waste, apart from moving it at relativistic velocities. It reminds me of some Government's advise to avoid the effects of Chrenobyl radiation by boiling all drinking water.




June 17, 2008
In response to: Photovoltaics: An Alternative Opinion
Mark O commented:

What about the security concerns? Emerging economies with unstable political systems will drive demand for energy resources in coming years, are we to provide nuclear technology to meet their need? Nuclear is a neat solution, but a little myopic.




September 11, 2008
In response to: Photovoltaics: An Alternative Opinion
gutiea commented:

I couldn't agree more with Mr. Zafiropoulo; although I believe nuclear is not ready for mass scaling yet, due to pricing and NPV (price points of conventional energy still too low, even at $160/oil barrel). Solar and Wind are bubbles at this point. I just finished a comprehensive study with a very large global utility, the conclusion, extremely well documented, were that solar investments and wind investments will be terminated as soon as subsidies go away. We all concluded that, even in the presence of legislation mandating alternative energy as % of total, alternative energy has no place in most countries with well connected grids. It makes sense in isolated regions or fragmented grids of certain developing countries BUT ONLY IF the Kyoto Protocol is renewed by 2012 and full carbon trading starts. Without carbon credits, even in developing countries, the alternative energy proposition results in negative NPV, or sub-par NPV vis-à-vis alternatives. The lowest price for energy is being set in most places around the world by co-generation stations using coal and gas (~$50/MW-h); and that cost is hovering at about 1/3 or solar and 1/2 or wind even under the price increase to (~65/MW-h) of the past year. Even if compulsory legislation is enacted, and following examples of countries that have done it, most of the time paying fines results in higher ROI. What needs to happen? Several things, cut the price of solar by 2/3 and of wind by 1/2; enact carbon trading (including developing countries), ratify Kyoto, and create a liquid global market for carbon credits; develop oversight agencies for transparency of carbon trades, have the US ratify or join Kyoto, be willing to pay more money for energy in developed countries, terminate indirect subsidies to oil and coal, etc.





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